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DANIEL PIPES SPEAKING AT UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-IRVINE: ... a war, of lots of despair.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE DISRUPTER: Daniel Pipes! Daniel Pipes! [laughter, noises, shouts]
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HANNITY: That was the scene at U.C.-Irvine last Thursday when Muslim protesters disrupted a speech entitled "The Threat to Israel's Existence," by Daniel Pipes, the director of the Middle East Forum. Instead of engaging in debate, the demonstrators continued their protests outside.
The university had this to say about the event.
The disruption lasted about two minutes, extended somewhat by other audience members voicing their support for Mr. Pipes. There were no further interruptions and afterward, the hosts of the event went before the audience and thanked the university's police for its assistance on what the organizers would characterize as a successful event.
Daniel Pipes joins us now. First of all, there is a real threat to Israel's existence. Anybody that cares about safety and security of people in the region and the State of Israel has got to recognize that's true. What were they saying when they disrupted you?
PIPES: As they left the hall they said, "Anti-Israel," "Anti-occupation," "Anti-oppression," "Anti-hate," "Anti-Israel, Anti-Israel." But what's more interesting is what they said after they left the hall. Now, I didn't see this myself, I stayed in the hall. But one of the participants went outside and recorded what was said outside. And there's a transcript of it. Let me read you just a couple of excerpts.
"It's just a matter of time before the state of Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth." That's the leader of the disrupters. And then he said,
Just keep on doing what we're doing. Our weapon, our jihad, our way of struggling in this country is with our tongues. We speak out … and this is the best we can do right now. And our brothers and sisters on the other side of the world, they're handling business in their own way. May Allah give them strength.
In other words, we're just using our words now because we can't engage in violence here, but let's wait until the day that we can. The university, as you just read out, said this is fine. This is a successful event. There are no problems. I can't imagine.
HANNITY: Daniel, based on the transcript as you're reading it to us, I'll tell you, my biggest concern is there are people that think this way in this country and have that mindset and that mentality. That is a threat to all of us. Just listening to their rhetoric, that's the scary part, isn't it? Don't you think this is somebody—if that tape exists as you're reading that transcript, isn't that somebody that the FBI would maybe want to talk to?
PIPES: I would think so. There are two problems here. One is that someone will be saying this and no one cares. And the other is that my talk was disrupted and the university is just fine with it, has no problems. They played by the rules. They left. And the university just, you know—just says it's fine.
HANNITY: But Daniel, look, you know it's par for the course. If you're a conservative, if you have different points of view, this is going to happen.
PIPES: It is. It's happened to me before. Number of institutions. And the universities in the other cases also said, "Just fine."
PIPES: But you know, the university is supposed to be a place for the free exchange of ideas, but yet what we're finding is it's the place with the least.
COLMES: Hey, Daniel, it's Alan. You were invited to what you're calling a liberal university. And you did speak. And as I understand it after they disrupted the event, something I wish they had handled in the Q& A period. I wish they had challenged you there. But they left and then you got a chance, as I understand it, to finish with your presentation, including the Q & A period. Is that correct?
PIPES: I did have a chance to finish, yes. And there was Q & A, yes. The point is not...
COLMES: So your point is not that you couldn't be heard?
PIPES: No, I was not. And I'm not complaining about that. I'm complaining that the university has no problem with what happened, as you can see from the press release that they issued today. No problem. It was a good event. There is no moral condemnation of the disruption. There are no steps being taken against the disrupters.
COLMES: What steps would you like taken? Now some of the things they're saying, I agree, are reprehensible, but do they have the right to say those things under our Constitution and in our society?
PIPES: Of course. I'm not asking they be put in jail. I'm asking for two things. First that the university use its moral situation to say this is unacceptable. This is not the way you do business at a university …
COLMES: But is there some kind of retribution you want? Do you want any action you want them to take against the people that said those things? What specifically...
PIPES: I would certainly say if you do this, if you're a student, if you do this again, even now we've got problems. We're not going to accept this kind of behavior. And if you're not a student, you know, don't trespass on this university and don't come back. This has to be indicated. The university administration has to indicate this is not acceptable behavior.
COLMES: Should they be expelled if they're students? Should they be thrown out? Thrown out of school for that?
PIPES: Not the first time. But maybe the second time. I mean, I haven't thought through in detail the way this should work, but clearly some kind of moral approbation, sorry, some moral condemnation needs to be expressed here. In fact, again, we're getting moral approbation.
COLMES: The fact is, this liberal university did get a chance to hear your presentation, albeit with a disruption. You said what you had to say. There was a respectful Q & A, and your voice was heard on this campus.
PIPES: There was a respectful Q & A only because the disrupters had to leave. The university administrators made it clear they had to leave. So all the people who were going to disrupt did disrupt and left. And then it became respectful.
COLMES: All right, Mr. Pipes. We...
PIPES: No a way to do business, is it?
COLMES: We thank you very much for being with us tonight.
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First I dont understand why people seem to have this idea that I hate Muslims. I challenge anyone to show me when and where I have ever said I hate Muslims. Just because I believe as many do that Elements within Islam are the cause of the Jihad does not mean I hate Muslims. Its not like I am making the terrorist quote the Quran and the Islamic texts to justify terror they are doing that on their own. No one has to tell them to do that they believe that is what the Quran tells them to do. I have outlined in a previous post what I believe some of the things are that Muslims must do in order to help defeat the terrorist. You can read that here.
I do not believe their is anything hateful or ridiculous about these expectations if moderate Muslims really want to defeat those that they tell us have hijacked Islam.
Second a few weeks ago I got on yahoo and tried to join a few yahoo groups of different mosques in the United States. I tried to join 4 different ones. All of these groups were set to private and only the people that were members of the groups could view the groups messages and files etc.. In order to join the group you must send a message to the group moderator telling him why you want to join. I sent a message that said the following:
I have been studying Islam and reading the Quran and Hadeeth and wanted to learn more. I was wondering if you could recommend any books or films that I could get to help me learn more about Islam. Thanks in advance."
I would have thought that they would have been more than willing to help me learn about Islam and welcome me into the group. They didnt instead I got one message that said "Who are you? Where are you from? What are you looking for in our group?" another said "Thanks for your interest in our group but one requirement me have for joining our group is that we need your address and phone number to contact you." All I could think is what! Why would I just give out my address and phone number all at once. All I was looking for was to learn more about Islam and you all do even seem willing to help me! I just dont understand why these people were like this. I dont know if they had something to hide or what the deal was. As a Christian I can now imagine someone contacting me wanting to learn more about what I believe and me asking them "What do you want? Why are you asking?" or asking them to give me their address and phone number. I would be more than happy to tell them about what i believe. So why did these Muslims not want to talk about it with me? I dont understand....
Next I think its ridiculous when people make unfounded accusations against me.
Like this comment that was left on my page "Yeaaaa great job, On showing your arrogance on hating Islam, for which you have no clue about."
I sent a message to this person and said:
"i apologize if u think i hate Muslims. i do not in fact i have 2 Muslims on my page one being nonie darawish. i also support the free Muslim coalition against terrorism. do these people hate Muslims too? please let me know where they are wrong in what they say. i do not think all Muslims are terrorist. i do believe however that there r those that invoke the example of Muhammad to justify terror.
all religions including Muslims need 2 unite against this and instead of all us denying that the terrorist are invoking Islam we need to address the things in Islam that they use. and Muslims are the only ones that can do that. no hard feelings my friend. though we may disagree i hope u will understand i do not hate Muslims."
Of course the person never responded back to me. They knew their accusations against me were unfounded and had nothing else to say I guess. One again I do not understand this......
I also had another person that message me a few days ago about my page this what they had to say:
"you page is full of propaganda. your song disgusts me as do your fake puppet sources who are so "oppressed in the middle east". I'm not even Muslim and the message you are portraying on your page is offensive to me. i have no idea why you added me, but I'm most definitely not approving your request."
And I this is what I responded:
"were am I lying? What am I saying that is hateful? I even have Muslims on my page that are speaking out against radical Islam Nonie Darawish and Irshad Manji. I do not hate Muslims nor do I think all of them are terrorist. What I do believe is their are Terrorist that quote the Quran and invoke the example of the Prophet of Islam Muhammad to justify what they are doing. I believe moderate Muslims need to teach their followers how to resist Jihad terrorist that approach them and say "see the Quran says to make war on the infidel" I encourage you to understand my point of view more and to understand this is not about hating anyone and most of all it is not propaganda. Where do I have anything of hate on my page? Sure I will agree some of the people posting comments on my page post some things that are not my view point. But I do not Censor the comments on my page. Are you talking about some of the comments people leave? What do you find offensive about my page? I encourage you to look at the things I write and not the comments. I am sorry if you misunderstood me in anyway. And btw you said "your fake puppet sources who are so oppressed in the middle east." Actually that is true one guy had his book banned in Pakistan. The funny thing is everything he says in his book is backed by Islamic texts that are freely available to any Muslims. You can read more about it Here and also there is a video about it Here
I am not lying in anyway in anything that I write and I ask you to show me where I am. And if so I will correct it immediately. "
Once again I did not get a response back from this person and they have yet to point out where I am lying are being hateful. I would greatly appreciate if they would let me know.
Finally I have noticed every single time I get in a discussion with a Muslim about Islam and its teachings they seem to do one of two things most of the time. 1. They resort to calling me names and attacking me personally instead of dealing with the subject at hand. or 2. They dont respond at all.
Here are some examples:
On my blog I had a debate with a man about if Islam taught that Lying was ok as long is it furthered the cause of Islam. You can read the debate here
You will notice that I fully answered his questions but yet he never was willing to even attempt to answer the questions I asked instead he just fled from the conversation.
As I said before I do not understand this......
Next their was someone over at this blog Which I have posted some things that I would love to hear a response from. I also posted morehere as well. I understand these two Muslims maybe busy with work and family. But I personally do not believe they will ever get back to me. I hope they prove me wrong because I would love to have a open discussion about the things I have put forth.
I have also posted some things yesterday on an Islamic group that wants to promote peaceful Islam. I have yet to get any response I hope that will change but we will see...
Well I guess that will do it not for now once again these are all things I dont understand.... lol.
As for anyone out there that seems to think I am rude or hateful feel free to message me and let me know where I am lying or hating anyone. Maybe one day all you that seem to think that will understand what this is all about. Its all about defending our country and defending our Constitution. If you dont mind seeing Islamic law then go ahead and call people like me "bigots" and "Islamophobes".
For those that dont know who Hirsi Ali is she is the woman in the controversial short film Theo Van Gogh made called Submission. Van Gogh as killed for the making of this film by a Muslim For more on this story read here
Here is the film that Van Gogh was killed over below:
Needless to say Hirsi Ali the woman in the film is still speaking out and she was recently on Hannity and Combs. I love how she puts Alan Combs in his place in this clip. CLICK HERE TO WATCH THE VIDEO. Keep speaking the truth Hirsi Ali!
Also she recently had this to say about Islam in a recent interview with the New York Times:
Q. Have you seen any ideology coming from within Islam that gives young Muslims a sense of purpose without the overlay of militancy?
A. They have no alternative message. There is no active missionary work among the youth telling them, do not become jihadis. They do not use media means as much as the jihadis. They simply — they're reactive and they don't seem to be able to compete with the jihadis. And every time there is a debate between a real jihadi and, say, what we have decided to call moderate Muslims, the jihadis win. Because they come with the Koran and quotes from the Koran. The come with quotes from the Hadith and the Sunnah, and the traditions of the prophet. And every assertion they make, whether it is that women should be veiled, or Jews should be killed, or Americans are our enemies, or any of that, they win. Because what they have to say is so consistent with what is written in the Koran and the Hadith. And what the moderates fail to do is to say, listen, that's all in there, but that wasn't meant for this context. And we have moved on. We can change the Koran, we can change the Hadith. That's what's missing.
I recommend everyone check out her new book called Infidel
This is a great article. A must read.
Conventional wisdom among many American citizens, as well as numerous journalists, politicians and media anchors, has it that anti-Semitism1 in the Islamic world constitutes a not unreasonable reaction to the late 19th c. Zionist movement which led to the creation of the state of Israel right after World War II. In this view, were Israel to totally withdraw from the West Bank (and other disputed Arab territories), as well as enact the “right of return” and/or compensate displaced Palestinians, anti-Semitism in the Islamic world would dissipate like a mirage.
Unfortunately, hatred of Jews runs much deeper than a century or so into the past. In fact, it originates not only in the actions of the founder of Islam himself, but also in the eschatological belief-system of the world’s second-largest religion. In 622 CE the nascent Muslim community under Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, left Mecca in Arabia and headed north to the city of Yathrib. Part forced emigration, part prearranged political move, this hijrah not only marked the beginning of the Muslim calendar but the transition of the Muslims from oppressed minority to ruling majority. The newly-renamed Madinat al-Nabi, “city of the prophet,” became—in its shortened form, Madinah—the capital of an expanding religious, political and military movement that would encompass the entire Arabian peninsula, including Mecca itself, within eight years and then, of course, after another century conquer from Iberia to the borders of India.
In the process of the Islamization of Arabia, and a few years before Mecca fell to the Muslims in 630, a paradigm of Muslim-Jewish conflict was established.2 Several of the tribes of Madinah were Jewish, and refused to accept the prophethood of Muhammad. In fact the leaders of one tribe, the Banu Qurayzah, were reported to have been plotting to have Muhammad killed. After some negotiations and inter-tribal machinations—which included, portentously, Muhammad branding the Qurayzah “brothers of monkeys”3 —Muhammad allowed “one of [their] own number,” one Sa`d bin Mu’adh, to pronounce judgment on them.His verdict: “the men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as captives.” The narrative continues:
Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina … and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches….There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900…. This went on until the apostle made an end of them.[…] Then the apostle divided the property, wives, and children of B. Qurayza among the Muslims….4
Now, this was a brutal time and a brutal society, in many ways. And in his treatment of “unbelievers” Muhammad is not unlike some of the divinely-sanctioned rulers in the Hebrew Scriptures, such as Joshua or David. (He is, however, most unlike the Jesus of the New Testament.) Nonetheless, there is no getting around the fact that the man whom Muslims believe to have been God’s last spokesman on Earth not only denigrated, but ordered the slaughter of, his fellow monotheists—and this long before the Theodore Herzl, David Ben-Gurion or Ariel Sharon ever existed.
This pattern set by God’s prophet is particularly influential upon the jihadist wing of world Islam, for whom the example of the early Islamic community is supremely normative. However, there is a powerful eschatological motif in Islam which also contributes immensely to the acrimony that too many Muslims feel towards the Jews: that of al-Dajjal.
The Dajjal, or “The Deceiver,” is one of five major end times actors according to Islamic teachings, and the chief embodiment of evil.5 In the anti-God camp with him will be the rapacious hordes of Yajuj and Majuj,6 as well as al-Dabbah, the “Beast.”7 Opposing these will be the returned `Isa, or Jesus,8 and al-Mahdi, the “rightly-guided one.”Jesus, Yajaj and Majuj, and the Dabbah have both Qur’anic and hadith sourcing (hadiths are extra-Qur’anic sayings attributed to Muhammad); however, the Dajjal and the Mahdi appear nowhere in the Qur’an, but only in hadiths—curious, considering that in many ways they are the two most important eschatological figures in Islam.9
What has this to do with anti-Semitism in Islam? The main role of the returned (Muslim) prophet Jesus and the Mahdi will be to defeat the evil forces of unbelief and usher in a global Islamic caliphate. And the forces that the Dajjal will lead forth to battle the Muslims will be…Jewish!!10 The Dajjal himself is usually described, drawing upon relevant hadiths, as corpulent and/or tall, frizzy- (perhaps red-) haired, one-eyed, able to perform sham miracles, having the Arabic linguistic root for “unbelief”—K-F-R—tatooed on his forehead. And while he is actually not described as Jewish himself, the hadith accounts of his Jewish supporters have provided plenty of ammunition for Muslim exegetes to assume that he, too, will be Jewish and—of course—linked to Israel. For example, the K-F-R on the Dajjal’s brow is said to be the same symbol used on the tail fins of Israeli fighter jets.11
But the Jewish component is not the only one of the “Dajjal system,” for that system is truly the one of unbelief—a rubric under which both science and Christianity should be subsumed.12 While the hadiths suggesting that the Dajjal will be Jewish go back, in some cases, to the 9th century CE/3rd century AH, the recent upsurge in eschatological anti-Semitism probably dates to about 20 years ago, when the Egyptian writer Sayyid Ayyub began publishing works in Arabic claiming that the Dajjal was already active on Earth and that he was Jewish.13 And this view is not active only in the Arab Muslim world, in the “front-line” states bordering Israel. A recent Indian Muslim writer14 is convinced that “the Jews are waiting impatiently for the coming of Dajjal, their beloved king,”15 for
Zionists in their bloodthirsty lust for power are not satisfied with Palestine. In their arrogance, they openly admit that they want all Syria…Lebanon…Jordan…Iraq…Iskenderun16 …the Sinai…the Delta area of Egypt and the Upper Hejaz17 and Najd18 ….They even want the holy Madinah [sic]19 ….Their main aim is to exterminate Islam [emphasis added].20
This writer goes on to repeat the hadith that the Jews will get their comeuppance before the end, when in the final battles “they will not be able to hide behind any stone, wall, or animal or tree without it saying ‘O Muslim, servant of Allah, here is a Jew, come and kill him.”21 The Dajjal will actually be killed by Jesus, and the Dajjal’s dispirited army of Jews, unbelievers and “Magians” will then be defeated by the Mahdi and his army of Muslims. Afterwards peace will reign under the global rule of the Mahdi and/or Jesus for some time (the hadiths are not harmonious on just who will be superior and who will live longer), before both great Muslim leaders die and unbelief again proliferates.Thereafter, at some point, will come the true end of time and the Judgment.
Islamic eschatology has seen a resurgence in recent years, owing to the turn of the (Christian) millennium, the inability of the Islamic world to deal effectively with modernity and the perception among many Muslims that the ummah, the Islamic “nation,” is not only in dire straits but is under attack from the West in general and the U.S. in particular. A powerful yearning for the Mahdi to come and deliver the ummah has grown among both Sunni and Shi`i Muslims, and the eschatological play cannot be acted out until the Dajjal comes, as well. Hugo Chavez may see President Bush as “El Diablo,” but for many in the Muslim world this figure of evil is “the Jew,” particularly in his armed-and-dangerous incarnation as “the Zionist entity”—Israel. If even a small percentage of the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims are influenced by such a belief, as well as by the undeniable anti-Semitic example of their own founder—and all indications are that this is indeed the case—then it’s naïve at best and dangerous at worst to expect that any sort of political or territorial concessions on the part of the Israelis will enervate such rancor. Jimmy Carter and James Baker, among others, would do well to factor that into their future policy recommendations.
I have been doing some thinking about what it is that Muslims can do to show that they are against the terrorism done in the name of their religion. I know many of you think that the only good Muslim is one that leaves the faith. I disagree. As I have said before I believe there are many peaceful Muslims but not peaceful Islam.
The first thing Muslims can do is acknowledge that violent passages do exist in the Quran. Many Muslims only want to quote for you the verses that say "There is no compulsion in religion." and the passage that says "If you kill one person it is like killing the whole world." Then they say to you "See Islam is a religion of peace." They never tell you about the violent passages that were written later on in Muhammad's life that abrogate these peaceful verses. Which I explain HERE.
What Muslims must do is first admit that these passages exist and that they are being used by terrorist to justify their actions. Next Muslims must stand up and say that taking the Quran literally must stop! They must develop a teaching in the mosque that teaches Muslims how to resist this kind of violent teaching. So that when someone approaches them and shows them these violent things they will resist the teaching of jihad. They also need to teach against people trying to imitate Muhammads actions. They must say that does not apply to today and that it is ridiculous for anyone to go around fighting infidel as Muhammad did.
Muslims also need to denounce terrorist organizations by NAME! Muslims need to stop this thing of saying "Well we are against acts of terrorism." But then they turn around and wont denounce the groups that preform those actions. Whats the sense in denouncing acts of terrorism if you wont denounce the groups that preform them. CAIR (The Council on American Islamic Relations) has a track record of this. They will not denounce ANY terror organization by name. They have been point blank asked about it and all they will say is "I acknowledge that that organization is on the US terrorist organization list." But yet they themselves wont acknowledge that they are terrorist organizations. This kind of thing must stop! Muslims must stand up and say "We do not support Hezbollah! We do not Support Hamas! We denounce these groups fully and their way of thinking."
I wish Muslims would gather in the streets in America and rally against terrorism. They need to gather with signs saying "Stop Terrorism in the Name of Islam." Also signs denouncing terrorist organizations by name. Many of you may not realize but an organization called The Free Muslim Coalition tried to have this very kind of rally in Washington DC. It would have been great to have seen many Muslim organizations back this rally. It would have been great to have a huge massive crowd. To bad that wasn't what happened. Instead Muslim organizations like CAIR denounced the rally. CAIR even went as far as saying "The Free Muslim Coalition does not represent the main stream view of Muslims."
Doesn't that make you feel great to hear the largest Muslim organization in America telling you that a rally against terrorism in the name of Islam does not represent main stream Islam. Also they had about 50 people show up for the rally!! 50! Also many of them were Christians and Jews.
Muslims also need to back people like Irshad Manji. Who are Muslims taking a stand against terrorism in the name of Islam. I would love to see a huge following behind these individuals.
All of this being said I believe it is going to be very difficult for Muslims to do these things for the simple reason that much of it goes against the fundamental teachings of Islam. If a Muslim was to teach against imitating Muhammad. That would go against the Quran. The Quran says that Muhammad is the ultimate example of conduct and it even goes as far to say that if one obeys Muhammad they are obeying God. I really wish the things i have outlined above could become main stream Islam. But I don't know if it is possible.
Heres a video about the study that came out showing that 40% of Muslims in Britian would support Islamic law. The study also should that 13% "admire" terrorist groups.
Here is another video with British Muslim Imam ANJEM CHOUDARY
The Clips Below are from the Film"Islam: What the West Needs to Know". Every American should see this:
Here is a video from University of California Irvine. Last night Daniel Pipes gave a speech about Radical Islam. The Muslim Students Union decided to interrupt half way through his speech by yelling loudly. After that the person with the camera follows the group of Muslims outside and you will hear one of them saying "Its just a matter of time before Israel is wiped off the face of the earth" Then after he says that the group of Muslims cheer "Praise be to God" Remember folks this was not something that happened in another country. This happened right here in the United States. Watch this video you will see half way through where the Muslims interrupt
You can read more about this at Daniel Pipes website here